Standing up and leading when it's right.

Dan Proft & Amy Jacobson interviewed Capt. Daniel Quinn re: this story.Help save the career of Sgt. Charles Martland, a decorated Green Beret, who along with Capt. Quinn stood up to a corrupt Afghani commander who repeatedly raped a young boy. March 1 is Martland's final appeal to salvage his Army career. CA Rep. Duncan Hunter has done a great job drawing attention to this grotesque miscarriage of justice. Call your congressman and Sens. Tell them to intervene.

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Dan: Dan and Amy. Amy, you remember this story. We covered this story when it first became public. It's the story of Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland, Green Beret, who was punished while deployed in Afghanistan for intervening to stop an Afghani soldier from raping a minor boy. That's what he did. Got punished for that. Amy: Yeah. And a lot of Americans, a lot of our listeners were outraged. . . Dan: And we're two of them. Amy: Yes. Dan: Cong. Duncan Hunter, Republican from California, has been pushing back against the Army's decision to punish Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland. Hunter, writing recently a decision with the Army Human Resources Command recommended the Army uphold the judgment that Martland be removed from the service. Although a final decision has yet to be made about his future–this is interesting, too: "The Army argued that the black mark on his record, which states–" This is the Army's assessment of this. "–states he assaulted 'a corrupt Afghan commander,' is cause to expel him from duty, despite the fact that he has the full support of his command and immediate leadership." I mean, what the hell is going on in the armed services? Amy: You'd think he'd be commended for doing this. For, at the very least, being a man, and stepping up and helping a child who's being raped–who's being sexually abused and assaulted. Dan: Yeah. I mean, that seems to be consistent with our values in this country, I would say, what Sgt. 1st Class Charles Martland did. But let's get a little bit more perspective on this. We're joined by one of Sgt. Martland's brothers in Arms, he is also Green Beret–Capt. Daniel Quinn joins us now. Capt. Quinn, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. Capt. Daniel Quinn: Hey, guys. Thanks a lot for having me. Dan: So, I guess–you were there when the incident occurred. Correct? Capt. Daniel Quinn: Correct. Yes. Charles and I were the only American soldiers that were present. Dan: Tell us what happened on that day and what's happened to both of you since. Capt. Daniel Quinn: Sure. So Charles and I were approached by a local mother [with a?] child. The child was limping and showed obvious signs of physical abuse. They came to our camp saying that they had nowhere else to go. The boy had been raped by a local Afghan Police Commander and it was one of the guys that we have been training and we're financially supporting him and [inaudible] this 12-year-old boy or 14 years–12 to 14-year-old boy [inaudible] [chained the boy?] to his bed and raped him repeatedly over the course of 10 days to 2 weeks. Amy: So how was he able to get out and run to his mother and then try and get help? Capt. Daniel Quinn: The mother knew that he was there. The mother went to our Afghan commander's house to retrieve her son. And at that point, she was beaten by the commander's brother. She had black eye when she came to our camp as well. Amy: Oh my. Dan: So she comes to the camp beaten up with her son who had been violated, and then what happens? Capt. Daniel Quinn: Right. And this was the 3rd or 4th case of sexual assault by one of our local police commanders. Each time we [inaudible] through our [inaudible] commander, report the issue, and we're told, "Just go to the Afghan local judicial system and we're here to support the family if they kind of go–[go with their?]–with what their decision is." And we won the case of this 14-year-old girl that was raped while she was working in the field. And she was–the guy that was caught in the act, he was brought to the local judicial system and they gave him one day in jail and then the girl was then told that she was supposed to either marry this guy or she had to [inaudible] because she was no longer honorable because she was no longer a virgin. So she ended up marrying the guy that raped her. And she's going to spend the rest of her life now living with this man. So. That would be the result of [inaudible] what happened when we went to the local judicial system. We can't quite trust that system so we–[inaudible] camp and–before we came to the camp, we called [inaudible] in the area and said, "Hey, we got this report from this woman and her son. Is this true?" And they were all [inaudible] that yes, it was true. And he was bragging about it because the boy [inaudible]–it was like a status symbol for him. So we [inaudible] into the camp, I [inaudible] questioned him and [inaudible] said, "These are the allegation against you." He at first denied it and then [inaudible] the commanders–we've talked to the other commanders and the elders and the [inaudible] and they all said [inaudible] acknowledge that he did it and [inaudible]. We then instructed [inaudible] following the severity of the action then— It was [inaudible] because a lot of what we'd focused our training on was with human rights. It wasn't just on how to be a local police commander, it was also how do you interact with the people in your village and in your province and told them that you're working for the Americans, you [inaudible] our training, you're going to [inaudible]–you'll be held to a higher standard and even act in accordance with our value system [inaudible] disregard that and [inaudible] into this. At this point, I picked him up and threw him onto the ground and then [inaudible] threw him onto the ground as well. We [inaudible] for a few minutes. And so we got the point across that this action is not to be tolerated ever again, and if he ever went near that boy again, there would be a consequence. Amy: So then you ejected him from the base after that and then you two got in trouble for this instead of being held as heroes? Capt. Daniel Quinn: Yes. Yeah. So we threw him off our camp and then I got a call that evening from my [inaudible] saying [inaudible] allegations that you apparently assaulted one of the [inaudible] locals and I said [inaudible] true which is why I did it. And [inaudible] do what you have to do, that's fine. Charles and I both stand by what we did. And [inaudible] the next day, a helicopter showed up at our camp and escorted Charles and I away from our team. We were told that we were mission complete. No longer [inaudible] the rest of our team. And we haven't heard from [inaudible]–Afghanistan while we waited our punishment [inaudible] a few weeks after that, we're told never to return to Afghanistan. Dan: And so this all had happened in 2011. So fast forward–we know from Duncan Hunter and his [inaudible] Sgt. Martland [inaudible] kind of where he stands. So what ultimately was your resolution with the Army? Capt. Daniel Quinn: I only have about a year left on my enlistment contract and just finish that year and then depart on my own terms. I can't say that about Charles, [inaudible] a phenomenal, phenomenal soldier. Best soldier I ever worked with. Everyone that I have ever been led by, [inaudible] will tell you the same thing. [inaudible] letters of recommendation that you receive from anyone [inaudible] with nothing but full support [inaudible]. He fought to stay [inaudible] instructor at the [inaudible] divers course down in Florida. He immediately got there and was immediately held [as the #1 instructor?] [inaudible]. And then was–[inaudible] and was given me the 2nd best instructor in all of special operations [inaudible]. [inaudible] phenomenal, phenomenal soldier. And even [inaudible] he knew that even after the way that he was mistreated by the Army [inaudible], he'd do his job [inaudible] and I just cannot say enough good things about him. So he was [instructed down?] in Florida and then that was the–was all the cutback from the military [and the special force?]–what the military's doing is kind of reviewing anyone that has any kind of black mark on their record. So Charles and I had both received negative [inaudible] reports from this incident and [inaudible] report and immediately then moved to [inaudible] Charles out of the Army. So this has been going on for about two years now. He had gone through multiple appeals, the final appeal now is set for March 1st. We'll find out whether or not Charles [inaudible]. Dan: Were you honorably discharged? Capt. Daniel Quinn: I was honorably discharged, yes. Dan: And–I mean, is there anything–I mean on Charles's behalf, is there anything you would suggest that people hearing this story do on his behalf? I mean, I know Congressman Hunter in California has taken up the cause. Should people call their local members of Congress as well? Capt. Daniel Quinn: Yeah, absolutely. Call up the congressman, write letters, and just as much as support you can get would be very appreciated. [inaudible] of really champion [inaudible] cause and [inaudible] before [inaudible] of the media and just make sure that everyone knows the full story and–I mean, yes, write your congressman, write the [inaudible]. And whatever [inaudible] really appreciate it. Amy: As a mom of two boys, I can't thank you enough for what you did for that child. Does he know or does his mother know what happened to you, too, for trying to protect her son? And do you know where the boy is now? Is he doing okay? Capt. Daniel Quinn: We don't know–we cannot know where the boy [inaudible]. And yes, they do know what happened. [inaudible] just another example of the quality soldier of Charles Martland. Because when we were–so after we were sent, kind of have to get our stuff the day after the incident. [inaudible] came in and [inaudible] for Charles be reinstated because they really appreciate all the work he did. In area, [inaudible] he's a great soldier, he was a great trainor, all the other commanders loved him, all the other local police [inaudible] phenomenal, phenomenal soldier and [inaudible] commission officer. And the family was there as well. He deserves to be in this area. And we have not heard from them [inaudible]. Dan: How do you reconcile what happened to you and Charles for–I mean for doing something that we all applaud–for standing against a rapist, a child rapist, for goodness sakes, and these other barbarians, and the Army treats you effectively as the problem, as those people who acted outside the bounds? I mean, is there some kind of politically correct culture that is infecting even the Green Berets these days? How do you reconcile it? Capt. Daniel Quinn: I think it's an overall shift [inaudible] towards career [inaudible] people are more worried. High-level commanders don't want to be responsible for any kind of major incident, I think, after [inaudible] and other–all the negative [inaudible] kind of–anything outside of how the–kind of just doing what we've been told to do [inaudible] negative and don't want any part of it and [inaudible] it's easier [inaudible] getting rid of the problem rather than dealing with it. And [inaudible] were the best 10 years of my life. [inaudible] 99% of the time and that's why Charles [inaudible]. He loves what he does, and we both love our country and love the Army–I'm very, very appreciative of everything the Army has given me. [inaudible] get this [inaudible] right and [inaudible] of [inaudible] with the best soldiers in the process. So. Yeah, we're hoping that the full support [inaudible], that we are going to recognize [inaudible] and allow Charles to stay and continue to do the job that he loves and that [inaudible]. Dan: Word. We have been joined by Capt. Daniel Quinn, former Green Beret. We're appreciative of you joining us. We're appreciative of your service for those 10 years. And your colleague, Charles Martland's service, as well as what you did on that day in 2011. Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Capt. Daniel Quinn: Thank you very much, guys. Appreciate it. Anytime. Amy: And he [inaudible].