Pastor Rafael Cruz, father of Sen. Ted Cruz, chatted with Dan & Amy about the campaign in studio this morning and took calls from listeners.
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Dan Proft: Dan Proft and Amy Jacobson, and Amy, you just heard at the top there, Carly Fiorina – big endorsement yesterday for Ted Cruz – she was at a rally with him, saying that it’s time for the party tonight around Cruz; also, Ted Cruz was in North Carolina, part of these Competing Town Halls Fox News Channel did in which he was interviewed by Megyn Kelly, a ruckus crowd, and he had some good news about tonight’s debate. Megyn Kelly: You said the campaign has gone to the gutter. What do you make of it? Ted Cruz: Well, listen, I think everyone is fed up with personal insults, with just ad hominem attacks; listen I have no views whatsoever on any part of Donald Trump’s anatomy. Amy Jacobson: So it’ll be anatomy free? Thursday night GOP debates Dan Proft: I think yes, because I can’t stomach any more discussion on Donald Trump’s anatomy either. We’re pleased now to be joined in studio by the man who taught Ted Cruz everything he knows. He’s Ted Cruz’s dad, Pastor Rafael Cruz. Pastor Cruz, thanks so much for joining us! Rafael Cruz: Dan, great to be with you, and Amy, I don’t if I taught him everything he knows, I don’t believe that. Dan Proft: Right, I guess that the story is that he memorized the Constitution when he was in the womb, right? Rafael Cruz: Well, he memorized the Constitution at 13 years old, but I didn’t have anything to do with that. We introduced him to an organization called the Free Enterprise Institute; first, he was reading all sorts like Adam Smith, and John Locke, and von Mises, and Hayek, and Bastiat, and Milton Friedman. Dan Proft: The kind of reading that every pre-adolescent does. Rafael Cruz: Every fourteen year old does. But then, this group created a group of five kids; they called them the Constitutional Corroborators; Ted was one of those five; they hired a memory expert and got those five kids to memorize the Constitution, and for the next four years, my son Ted gave approximately 80 speeches on free market economics and the Constitution. Amy Jacobson: At the age of thirteen? Rafael Cruz: From thirteen to seventeen. Dan Proft: Amy, he must have had a beat off the girls, because nothing gets girls into them faster than free market economics. Amy Jacobson: It’s hotter and sexy, yeah, I mean, it’s cool. Rafael Cruz: I met some of his high school buddies not too long ago, and they said, ‘You know, Ted was kind of weird; while we talked about football, he talked about Ronald Reagan’. Amy Jacobson: So what do you think of this large growing coalition behind your son? Obviously, Glenn Beck, Carly Fiorina; word is today that Jeb Bush might be supporting your son publicly for the first time. Rafael Cruz: I have not heard that; that’s news to me, but that’s welcomed news; sounds great; I think, what happens is, it quickly becomes a two man race. I think it is obvious now that it’s going to be Trump and Cruz, and the sooner we get to a two man race, the sooner we’re going to get somewhere. I think what happens is people of faith, conservatives, constitutionalists, are realizing that they have to coalesce about the one candidate that can just take America forward, and that candidate, I’m convinced, is my son, Ted Cruz. Dan Proft: You know, it’s interesting, there has been some pushback on Cruz saying ‘Well, he’s too focused on religion; he speaks too much about the Judeo-Christian values upon which this nation was founded, that it limits its appeal’; interesting tweet I just got from Rob Jewar: ‘I’m an atheist and I made over 300 calls yesterday for Ted Cruz; BS he doesn’t reach a range of voters’; and I wonder, since you speak a lot about this matter of Christians getting involved in the political process, how you respond to this idea that Ted Cruz has a limited reach because of his focus on traditional values and Constitutional principles? Rafael Cruz: Well, I think that this tweet that you received speaks volumes about it. Ted is a champion of religious freedom; now the first amendment of the Constitution gives us freedom of religion, and that means you also have the freedom not to believe, or the freedom to believe whatever you want to believe and the government needs to stay away from our spiritual life, actually from our lives, so together; like Ronald Reagan said it, ‘Government is not the solution; Government is the problem’; we don’t need more government, we need less government, and one of the things that my son wants to do in the White House is cut down the size, power and scope of the Federal Government, just restrict it to what the Constitution says; article 1, section 8 of the Constitution only enumerates 18 powers to the Federal Government. Anything that is not in article 1, section 8, the Federal Government has no business being involved in, and all those powers should go to the State. Dan Proft: See, you’re playing possum, you memorized the Constitution too. Rafael Cruz: A little bit. Amy Jacobson: I think he taught you the Constitution. So you said he wants to cut down the size of government. Oh, go back to the Constitution. Did he teach you about the Constitution? Rafael Cruz: Absolutely; I actually got involved in the Constitution from being inspired by him and going to all these speeches where he had memorized the Constitution, and actually prior to that; when Ted was nine I was very involved in the Reagan campaign, and I helped mobilize millions of people of faith to help elect Ronald Reagan, whom I considered the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln, and so when my son was nine, he got a dose of conservative politics from a Christian worldview, everyday for a year, at the dinner table. So that was his indoctrination into conservative politics, and of course, the Free Enterprise Institute - those four years immersed in the Constitution, and free markets, and limited government, and the rule of law – shaped his life. Dan Proft: And you’re getting a dose of indoctrination into Illinois politics; the last day you were in an African-American church in Dalton, in Bensenville yesterday, you’re leaving here and you’re going in Central and Southern Illinois, so you’re doing a lot of campaign stops on behalf of your son, Senator Cruz, and I wonder what you find most enjoyable about traveling the country being a surrogate for your son, and what you find least enjoyable about the process? Rafael Cruz: I think the most enjoyable thing is meeting people; America is such a wealth of different personalities, different people, different ideas, and I’m a people person, just like my son; I enjoy being with people and getting to know people; you know, life is all about relationships, and the more relationships we can have, the more people we get involved with, the more we understand one another. I would say the thing that is the least enjoyable is the grueling timetable. Sometimes we go 26 hours a day. Amy Jacobson: And from here you’re going to Missouri. Rafael Cruz: That’s correct, and then to North Carolina. Amy Jacobson: And sometimes you said you wake up and you don’t know what state you’re in, or what city? Traveling so much… Rafael Cruz: That’s right. Well, it’s a different hotel every night. Dan Proft: Keeps your spine on your toes. Rafael Cruz: Absolutely. Dan Proft: Where do you see the race in a Ted Cruz versus Donald Trump choice? What’s the value proposition of that choice? A vote for Ted Cruz, as compared to Donald Trump, is a vote for what? Rafael Cruz: I would say, first of all, if you look at Trump, you don’t know what you’re getting. You don’t know what you’re getting because nobody knows what he believes; I mean, he changes from day to day, he even says ‘Well, I can change, I change all the time, I can change to anything I want, I can change in a moment’. I think Jimmy Carter put it clear when he said ‘Well you know, if I had to chose between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, I would choose Trump, because Trump is malleable; that means you can mold him into whatever you want’, and he said then, ‘But you know that guy Ted Cruz? He really believes what he says’; so I think that’s the great difference; Ted is a constitutional conservative; with Ted you know exactly what you’re going to get; Ted has done 100% of what he said he was going to do before he got elected, so you can take his word to the bank. I think it boils down to one word, and that word is trust. You can trust Ted to do what he said he’s going to do. Dan Proft: We’re talking to Pastor Rafael Cruz, father of presidential candidate Ted Cruz, could we hold you over for one minute and take some calls? We got some callers I think that want to talk to you as well. Why don’t we do that and we’ll come back and take your calls with Pastor Rafael Cruz. Dan Proft: Dan and Amy, we’re talking to Pastor Rafael Cruz, father of Ted Cruz, and Pastor Cruz, I don’t know how to break it to you, but there’s a lot of people that think you may have a political career ahead of you; text ‘I like Ted Cruz, but I love his dad’; now text from 779, ‘Not a Cruz, supporter, but his dad sounds like a really good guy and with a cool accent; you should narrate Ted’s ads’; maybe a voiceover career, maybe a political career. Rafael Cruz: I’ll tell you, I’m having a lot of fun just traveling around the country, meeting people and making the case why Ted Cruz should be our next president. Amy Jacobson: And it’s – real quick – a great story how Ted met Heidi when they were both working for Bush. Rafael Cruz: Absolutely; Ted was domestic policy advisor for George W., and she was economic policy advisor, and Ted got stung the day she came to work, and he says it took him three days to get up the courage to ask her for a date. Five months later, they were married. Amy Jacobson: That’s great. And six marriages came out of that campaign? Rafael Cruz: Eight marriages came out of that. Dan Proft: The Ted Cruz joke, right? Rafael Cruz: Yeah, he said, ‘I don’t know whatever may say, for us W. will always be a uniter, and not a divider’. Dan Proft: Now, to that point, and because Ted Cruz, he shows humor, he’s kind of a dry sense of humor, which I kind of appreciate, but there’s so much been said about Cruz, that he isn’t liked in DC, and he’s not a likeable person, and all of that. How do you respond to those charges? Rafael Cruz: Well, let me tell you why he isn’t liked by some of the people in the Senate and the House, and it is this; unfortunately, there are too many corrupt politicians in both parties; they want the gravy train to continue, they want to preserve the status quo, and you probably heard my son say that he is running against the Washington Cartel – all these corrupt politicians in both parties; and they don’t want anything to change. You know, we got people in the Senate that have been there for 30 years, and they want to be there another 20; they don’t want to relinquish that power; we need to change; too many politicians think that we work for them, when in reality, they work for us; one of the things that I love about my son, he truly has a servant’s heart. He understands servant leadership; he wants to go to the White House to be a servant of we, the people, a servant of every American; he understands that that’s his role – to work for the American people, not the other way around. Dan Proft: That’s a little bit esoteric, but that’s how I view Trump versus Cruz – philosopher king vs. servant leader – and there’s a big difference; by the way, in terms of ballot appeal, Ted Cruz has the support of Caitlyn Jenner and me; that can’t get bigger tent than that. Let’s go to the lines, let’s go to Shaun, in Elmwood Park; you’re on Chicago’ Morning Answer. Rafael Cruz: Hello, Shaun! Shaun: Mr. Cruz, it’s really a privilege, it’s a privilege to speak to you, and I have to tell you, I’ve been appreciating your son for the fundamental capitalist and the originalist views he has, since he’d been Bush’s handpicked stooge for the Senate seat he now holds. Now it is in that problem that we have, that blind allegiance to a party that has allowed the bastardization of capitalism and the erosion of the citizen’s civil liberty. So with that being said, in the even he is not the nominee, I will not support Trump, under no circumstance, and I am goingto ask you to ask your son to run as an originalist, to run as a third party, because Mr. Cruz, it is through us compromising our fundamentals that has lead this to this path, where senators like Mitch McConnell are worth 40 million, or they collaborate with Harry Reid, or they go and become lobbies after their careers. Dan Proft: Alright, Shaun, thanks for the call and the questions; so the question about Reagan running as a third party if he’s not the nominee. Rafael Cruz: Let me say this, I do not like the idea of a third party, because having a third party is handling the presidency to Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton will destroy this country, and so I think the idea of a third party is really a bad idea, but I’ll tell you what; my son is not running to lose to Donald Trump. If it gets to a two man race, the polls show that Ted would beat Donald Trump by seventeen points. So we’re running to win; we’re not running to see Donald Trump in the White House, but to see Ted Cruz in the White House, and if it gets to be a two man race, Ted Cruz will be the next President of the United States of America. Dan Proft: Alright, Kent from Montgomery, you’re on Chicago’s Morning Answer. Kent: Pastor Cruz, your son has my vote… Rafael Cruz: Thank you, sir! Kent: But if we can see a Cruz cruise ticket as true Chicagoan, you will get two votes from me. Rafael Cruz: Well, I’ll tell you what, in the first place, that’s unconstitutional; you know you cannot have the President and the Vice-President from the same state; that is not constitutional, so… Amy Jacobson: And you know the Constitution. Dan Proft: Relocate to Oklahoma! Rafael Cruz: And actually, I’m having too much fun just supporting him and seeing him rise; I think that he would make a wonderful President, and I know he would abide by the Constitution, and the rule of law, and as I said a minute ago, he will be a servant to every American man, woman and child, and get the heavy boot of the Federal Government from off their necks, so that people can achieve their dreams – by cutting down taxes, cutting down regulations, and just allowing everyone to fulfill their dreams. Amy Jacobson: Don’t you think he would make a great US Supreme Court Justice? Just in the chance that Donald Trump wins, I would hope he would be that or Attorney General. Rafael Cruz: Well, obviously he’s a constitutionalist, like so is Mike Lee, and so is Ron Paul. They are the three strong constitutionalists in the Senate, but I’ll tell you what, my son is running to win. And if people of faith, if people of courage, if conservatives, constitutionalists, people that want to see their dreams fulfilled and see an environment in America where everyone can achieve their dreams and leave their children and grandchildren a better American, the man that can help provide the environment for that to occur is Senator Ted Cruz. Dan Proft: Let’s squeeze another caller, and we Pat in Midlothian. Hey, Pat. Pat: Hey, reverend Cruz, I just want to let you know I’m behind your son; it’s about time we get somebody who has the respect for the Constitution, and I plan on working the phones for him in Homer Glenn this weekend. Rafael Cruz: Well, thank you so very much, I’ll tell you what, we need to all unite. You know the Bible says in Acts 1:14 that those 120 that were in the operating room were together in one accord. We must be in one accord. I want to ask every person in the State of Illinois to coalesce around Senator Ted Cruz. If we unite, we will get America back to what America was destined to be – a land of opportunity for every American, without distinction that everyone will have the opportunity to see their dreams realize. There are so many young people that feel that when they finish college they’re going to have to go home, because they can’t find a job. How about if that changes by getting rid of taxes and regulations, and the interference from the Federal Government; someone leaves college with a half a dozen job offers, and they can receive entrepreneurship, again, create millions upon millions of new jobs by creating small businesses. I’ll tell you, that is the environment that Ted Cruz will provide for every American. Dan Proft: Alright, he is Pastor Rafael Cruz, father of Ted Cruz; Pastor Cruz, thanks so much for joining us today; safe travels as you make your way throughout Illinois, and then to the other states that primary on Tuesday. Rafael Cruz: Thank you, Dan and Amy; great to be with both of you, and God bless you, and God bless America, and God bless the great state of Illinois!