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Proft: Good morning, Dan and Amy. Amy, this story comes to us from Campus Reform. University of Minnesota has invited the distinguished anthropology professor from Beloit College, one Lisa Anderson Levy, to have a grown-up conversation about whiteness on campus. "How whiteness is an existential threat to the United States." She argues that "whiteness is violence". What are we going to do with the white people, then, if the very act of being white is violence, (Jacobson: More shaming...) intrinsically violent. We're going to have to do something with these white people, I wonder what these deep thinkers in the hallowed halls of academia have in mind. Jason Riley, our friend from the Wall Street Journal, has a good op-ed over the weekend, "Fifty Years of Blaming Everything on Racism", and he actually dates back to former Illinois Governor Otto Kerner, and like most former Governors, he went to prison...who provided the Commission on Civil Disorders report fifty years ago last month, 1968. The report blamed urban unrest, black urban unrest, on white racism, segregation, official neglect, all that were meant to explain the racial inequality, and racial inequality that persists today, because that's the argument that continues to be made. The Kerner reports most famous assertion was that the US was moving towards two societies, one black one white, separate and unequal, and desegregation, essentially, was not successful in remedying the inequalities. So, where does that leave us in 2018, 50 years after the Kerner report? Well, to help us answer that question, we're pleased to be joined again by Burgess Owens, who first and foremost, former NFL All-Pro-er, Super Bowl Champion, 1980 Oakland Raiders, don't you forget it! He's also the author of "Liberalism, or How to Turn Good Men into Whiners, Weenies, and Wimps", which is one of the best book titles I've ever heard. Burgess Owens, thanks for joining us again, appreciate it. Owens: Dan and Amy, I'm looking (?) again, absolutely. Proft: So, what about the assertions that were made in a Jason Riley...by Jason Riley, and his piece in the Wall Street Journal about fifty years of blaming everything on racism, and it's sort of just freezing time, taking the findings of the Kerner report, and making the same arguments despite a lot of changes that have occurred over that 50 years. Owens: Well, first of all, Jason's article is spot-on, as are most of the black conservatives out there that understand living our history. What I can't emphasize enough when we have this conversation is that we're in a fight for the heart and soul of our nation, and it is not black and white, as the Left would like us to believe. It's Judeo-Christian values, and pride in our history, and understanding our history, versus the Marxist Socialism and Atheism, which would love to...would love to divide us, and (?) our history is all about. And there's a really quick backdrop to this whole thing about whiteness; I've never seen this bold racism that is actually being promoted and accepted by both blacks and whites who would love to divide us. For those who want to apologize for our past background and history...let me suggest that you DO a little history, do a little study, Google a little bit, and understand our country is the greatest in the history of mankind because of what was done together, and as individual cultures, what we've done. The black community, in the 40s 50s and 60s, early 60s, led our nation in terms of the growth of our middle class, led our nation in terms of men committed to (?) with 7%, led our nation in terms of entrepreneurs, 40%, led our nation in terms of men committed to higher education. So it's not that we, by the color of our skin, cannot produce, compete, or win, it's policies. It's Democratic, Marxist, Socialist policies that's been put into our community, that's allowed misery to be a strategy, a policy. And you've seen it in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Ferguson, any places Leftists run and rule and reign, you see misery. So, don't blame us on the color of our skin, blame the policies that are put together by the....ideology that hates our nation. Jacobson: So, Mr. Owens...how do you feel when you see a "Black Lives Matter" sign? Owens: Well, what I recognize, because I just had a chance to experience it for myself last week...understand about Marxists and Socialists...they're bullies, they're not there to try and find solutions, they're trying to silence...the person will talk about their "Safe Space", and you're taking away everyone's "Safe Space". At the end of the day, how we win the nation is we debate, we talk, we educate ourselves. We sit down and try to figure out solutions, even though we might not agree on everything, we have a common goal, which is "how do we improve our nation? How do we improve our races, how do we improve our people?" If that is the goal of our nation, and we have the right focus, we'll come up with the right solutions. Unfortunately, with Socialists, it's always class over race, class over country, and so you're never going to have solutions from these "Black Lives Matter" people. First of all, they've not been educated, they've been turned into little Marxists, and so they're not gonna come up with a lot of answers, they're gonna come up with a lot of anger, pointing fingers, and asking for excuses or apologies. Proft: How do you react to the apparently relatively close, and continuingly close associations between a bunch of members of the Black Democrat...members of the Black Caucus in Congress and Louis Farrakhan and the media's effort to basically IGNORE this story, even as we find Keith Ellison, Deputy Director of the DNC, Deputy Chairman of the DNC, lying about his continuing relationship with Minister Farrakhan, including as confirmed by a fellow Farrakhan friend, Andre Carson of Indiana. So you basically have these eight legislators, all the members of the Black Caucus, as well as some organizers of these women's marches, these peahat marches and so forth, that are basically running cover for Louis Farrakhan's virulent anti-Semitism. Owens: Well, understand again...let's start off by talking about the fact that it's not a black or white issue, it's truly an ideology, that we're fighting for the soul of our nation. One thing about the Black Caucus, and I need to make this very very clear...we've had, in our race, a fight against white supremacists. They have not been able to do a thing to get us focused, motivated, and winning. That's what happens when we look up to those guys. The greatest threat that we have as a race are these black leaders. It's the Black Congressional Caucus, these Marxists who vote every time against the targets of our race, they sit and they live a (?) life. So that's the first thing. First of all, I don't expect much from the Black Congressional Caucus, they haven't done much of anything in 50 years, and they never will. The other part of it is I'm asking...where are the black Christian leaders? We have our race being turned into racists, while we sit back and watch it happen, sadly. Those of us who believe there's a God in Heaven, believe in Jesus Christ, that are Christians, who are supposed to put our faith before anything else...it's time for us to stand up and man up. We have our people, our young people, being turned into racists by people like Farrakhan and other racist people. One thing I could say is, if you look down South...racist people are not very HAPPY people, and the worst thing that we could do is become one of them. So I'm very disappointed in the "black ministry", quote, that did so well in the 1800s, early 1900s, standing up for our race...they're not doing that (today), they're failing that big time. So either leave the pulpit, or find your guts and let's stand up and man up for the right thing, and tell our people where we find our truth and our happiness, and it's not following people like Farrakhan. Jacobson: For those of us who don't remember your background and what brought you to Conservatism, was there something in particular that happened? Owens: Yeah, well actually I look down South, and I believe that the core of our race is a conservative base, most black Americans believe...have a conservative foundation. But, we've been trained and radical...or, trained to vote for Democrats. I was one of them, in college I voted for Democrats, Jimmy Carter, but what happened was I left the NFL and got into business for myself, and I failed many times. And I began to realize, this is the ONE place where you can start all over again. This is a place of hope and dreams, we have...you can develop a network of people, black white, it doesn't matter what the colors are, and everyone will help you, as long as you're doing your best, and trying to bring value to the plate. So, I realized that we have a party that has been anti-black from the very beginning, they're Socialists, (?), slavery, and everything you can think of that has been against our race, the Democratic party has been the genesis of that. So, when I realized that, I became a Conservative, and now I'm one with a big, large, capital C, to say the least. I love our country, I love the values that our Judeo-Christian traditions brought to us, and I think as we focus on that as a people, what we the people (have) done, the latter 200 years of history has been remarkable, and if we get back to that we can win the fight against these evil ideological Socialism Marxists. Proft: I want to just punctuate something that you're talking about. You mentioned with the great black entrepreneurs of the 60s representing 40% of the entrepreneurship of the time, you talked about your career as a successful businessman. And I was on a panel discussion here in Chicago recently, and they had a black Alderman, a black columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times...and their only answer to the highest black unemployment rate, the highest black YOUTH unemployment rate in the country here in Chicago, was just...one answer was just to say "Jobs jobs jobs!" as much as she could in the time allotted. The other, the politician's answer was to say we need a Marshall Plan for the urban center, so it's kind of more government spending, and so I just want to kind of get to your message to young people, to people who have not been availed of opportunities in urban centers like Chicago, and the message they always get from the Left is "Government is gonna come in and spend money on you, spend money on your community, and that's your path out." And I think you're saying something very different. Owens: Dan, that's a good...that's a well-formulated question. First of all, the 40% that we used to be when I was coming through is down to 3.8%. It is not because of anything except Democratic policies. Davis-Bacon Act back in 1932, the minimum wage, all these things that keep our young people...and the messaging! We're not telling our kids that you need to have your own business, and we don't educate...75% of blacks born in California cannot pass a standard reading-writing test, that is as of last year. These kids cannot even start to THINK outside the box if you're not educating them. So the problem is that we have an elitist group of people, Aldermans, Democrats, that could care less about solutions. So my suggestion is very simple, we start with this; first of all, tell our kids "If I can do it, you can do it!" My greatest occupation, of all the things I've done, football player, obviously, corporate environment...my greatest was being a CHIMNEY SWEEP when my business failed back in 1990. I did it for three months, because I was willing to do whatever it took, and that's what our young people need to hear. Whatever it takes, get back up, man up, do whatever you need to do, educate yourself and dream big. Because if you do that, good things will come your way, because that's just the way it is. We have a God in Heaven who blesses us if we try to do our very best, and do it honestly. If we tell our kids that, they will begin to realize that these Democrats are the worst thing that has happened to us...since the KKK. Matter of fact, the KKK only lynched 4K people. The Democrats have killed over 20M of our black kids. So we have ourselves a problem. We need to wake up, and see who our enemy is, and it's not a black or white issue. It's ideology, Marxist racist...no, it's Marxist, Socialist, and...and...and...what is it...oh yes, it's Atheist. Proft: He is Burgess Owens, former NFL All-Pro for the Oakland...AND Super Bowl Champion with the Oakland Raiders, a successful businessman, chimney sweeper!...and author now, "Liberalism, or How to Turn Good Men into Whiners, Weenies, and Wimps". Burgess, thanks so much for joining us again, appreciate it. Owens: Thank you, keep up the good work, let's do it again. Take care. Proft: Take care. Jacobson: ...and he played for the Jets...AND he joined us on our Turnkey Dot Pro Answer Line.

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Dan Proft: Good morning, Dan and Amy, so the hits keep coming, Cleveland Browns, last night’s preseason football game. Amy Jacobson: Yeah, against the Giants. Dan: Yeah, a group of Cleveland Browns decided that they wanted to help Colin Kaepernick drive down the NFL’s television ratings and so they knelt during the national anthem as well. Amy: Well it almost looked like they were praying though, they knelt down, they took a knee but in a circle and their arms around each other’s shoulders, I mean it was. Dan: Yeah, that’s what they were doing, praying. Amy: No, no, I’m just saying if you wanted to get a visual of what it looked like, it was just strange, and I don’t know why, and I know you and I difference of opinion on this, who cares about the national anthem during a pre-season football game, you only show play the national anthem if it’s a playoff game and you have some superstar singing it. Dan: The culture cares, and speaking of which, since Castro loving Kaepernick and football players that are following his poisonous example, as in part inspired by his black lives matter girlfriend, a professional agitator. Amy: How’s that happy couple doing? Okay, are they going to make it Dan? Dan: This is interesting, Chanel Helm, she’s apparently one of the leaders of Black Lives Matter in Louisville, she’s got 10 requests for white people, hey white people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family, preferably one that lives in generational poverty, okay that’s not, it’s like calling for philanthropy, okay. White people if your inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family, if you’re developer, realty owner of a multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighbourhood and let black and brown people live in it for free, white people if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family, white people if you… Amy: Give up everything we’ve worked for. Dan: If any of the people you intend to leave your property too are racist, a-holes change the will and will your property to a black or brown family, re-budget your monthly budget so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing, white people especially white women, get a racist fired, let’s see, commit to two things, fighting white supremacy where and how you can, and funding black and brown people in their work, okay, so those the requests have been duly noted for your consideration and now they’ll resume tearing down Confederate statues, for more on the state of play and the culture beset by identity politics, we’re pleased to be joined by screenwriter, essayist, author of the ‘Great Good Thing’ a secular Jew comes to faith in Christ, he is Andrew Klavan, Andrew thanks for joining us again, appreciate it. Andrew Klavan: Hey guys, good to be here. Dan: You wrote a piece recently for pyjamas media, the racist maze, what is the racist maze? Andrew: The racist maze is, in my mind, the minute you accept the moral grouping of people according to their race, you’ve entered this maze from which there’s simply no way out, people keep trying to reason, well it’s this it’s that, you’re not getting out of there, and I think the left has really been most guilty of this mistake in recent years, that piece you just read from Colin Kaepernick’s girlfriend, the whole identity politics is racism, and my problem is this, once you come to people and say, we deserve something special, because our race is X, there’s nothing to stop the other guy from saying well gee, my race is Y and I want a win, I want to do better, you simply get into a place where might makes right and you’re back where we began, I do not understand the difference in the philosophy of Black Lives Matter and the philosophy of the white supremacists, except the colour of their skin, that’s the only difference, in their philosophy and if your philosophy makes no logical sense, you’re ultimately going to lose that argument, because you’re just dealing with whoever has the greater strength is going to win, I don’t believe in any of this stuff, I really don’t, I really believe that race is a mythology, culture isn’t a mythology, but race is a mythology, people are governed by the ideas in their heads, people are not just bags of chemicals lit up by a lot of electricity, we are minds and we are spirits, and you can follow the good and bad of any community, of any nation, of any society by following the ideas that they follow, good ideas lead to good outcomes, bad ideas lead to bad outcomes, and I’ve been frustrated with the people on my side, on the conservative side, when I say… listen I’m ready to take an extra step in condemning the white supremacists and the neo-Nazis, because there in my house, they call themselves right-wingers, and they’re not and I’m willing to take an extra moment to condemn them, because if they called themselves the Andrew Klavan party I’d condemn them twice, because they don’t represent me, but the logic that they are operating on is the exact same logic as that piece you just read right now, give something to a brown person and the idea is that you can fix the racist injustices of the past, with racist injustices of the present, on the opposite side, and what they don’t realise is if you picture it like a scale, like the scales of justice, all the racism, no matter what colour it is, goes in one end of that scale and all of treating people as if they were spiritual beings, who were governed by ideas, goes in the other side of that scale, and I just think when I see these Antifa people and the Black Lives Matter people fighting with the neo-Nazi people, I feel like I’m watching Iraq and Iran at war, I don’t… I hope they both lose basically. Amy: Well what do you think, did you watch in Charlottesville, I believe two Fridays ago, when they lit their Tiki torches and we’re walking through the campus saying you will not replace us, wasn’t that unsettling? Andrew: They make me sick and I think that they are the worst people in the country, but they’re just as bad as, they are just as bad as the guys who went and beat up people in Berkeley, or the people who went and killed police in Dallas, in the names of their philosophy, of course I despise, these right-wing people and I think, by the way, the press is absolutely hysterical in their anti-Trumpism, but I do think that Donald Trump could have handled that situation a lot better, because some of those people support him and some of those people take shelter from him and he needs to point out, all he has to say is, if you want to be in favour of my administration, if you want to make America great again, you got to leave this stuff behind, and if you were doing it yesterday, don’t do it today, don’t do it tomorrow, and follow us into a new great America, that’s not going to have the problems of the past, those are the kinds of speeches, sometimes Donald Trump really frustrates me, because he’s right about the press, they are fake news, they are liars, they are corrupt, they are on the left, but when you hit them, you’ve got to make sure they stay hit and I sometimes think he bobbles the ball by just talking off the top of his head, and saying things he can’t defend later. Dan: Well while everybody is playing condemnation Olympics, to signal how virtuous they are, I hate white supremacists more than you do, meanwhile as Jordan Peterson points out the University of Toronto psychologist, meanwhile both sides as you were sort of indicating I think, are playing identity politics, which he terms as genocidal, do you agree with that? Andrew: Yeah, of course it’s, well of course it is, because ultimately if that’s what we’re doing here, if it’s not a pluribus Unum, if we’re not all coming together under the American creed and saying, look I don’t care what colour your skin is, I don’t care what name you call God, if we’re marching to the American creed, we can all march together, when we’re not saying that, then we’re just the same as Europe was for 2,000 years, killing each other, because your name is Francois and my name is Mike, the state of play in a world that is divided by nationality, we’ve had that world, Europe was a beautiful thing at its height, it created some of the greatest culture in the world, but it was also 2,000 years of intermixing warfare and the reason for that was the kind of racial nationalism that made the Franks into the French and the Angles into the English, we rejected that here from the very start, we may have taken our customs from England, great, we may have taken our governance from English law, terrific, but from the very start we said that we were going to be, one people just sheltered under a single creed, the blacks got screwed, they got screwed in that, I get it, but the past can’t be fixed, I wish it could, if I could go back into the past and get rid of slavery I would, I don’t have that power, neither does anyone else, we’re all born past that time and we’ve got to move on, we just have to. Amy: Well, what do you think of all these statues being taken down? Some legally, some illegally. Andrew: I’m spiritually against it, I would rather see more statues put up, I would rather see more information put out, I understand the discomfort people might feel, but to be honest with you, those statues were there during the entire presidency of Barack Obama, and no one said a single word, so that means, that says to me, that this is not about statues, this is an attack on the founding and the history of America, on peoples sense of patriotism and belonging, in the end, this is a local question, in the end, I think localities have the absolute right to get together in a Democratic way and decide what they want, but when I see them being removed in the middle of the night and when I see Baltimore, where a black kid is lucky is he can live to 16 without getting shot, wasting their people’s money taking down a statue, or something made of bronze, I just think that this is not what this is about, this is a distraction, it’s a nonsense that is governed by people who really don’t like this country very much, you have a vision of this country and that it’s all been one big mistake, I saw a woman on CNN the other night, saying oh we have to take down statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, they own slaves, well frankly without George Washington and Thomas Jefferson we wouldn’t even have the concept that made the slaves free, I think we have to, understand that people lived in their time and saw what they saw, just like we do now, and by the way, speaking of that, I just want to mention that in the future, a lot of people who support abortion today are going to find their names taken off airports and they’re going to find there statues, people realise what they were doing in their time, the number of babies they put to death for their philosophy, so it’s very hard to see into the future, and I think we should have a little bit more compassion on those people in the past, who couldn’t see today. Dan: On that important note, Andrew Klavan, screenwriter, essayist, author of the ‘Great Good Thing’ a secular Jew comes to faith in Christ, and particularly Andrew, with what you said about pro-life and pro-choicer, given what we see happening in Iceland in real time for example, I think you’re going to be proven prescient, Andrew Klavan, thank so much for joining us, appreciate it. Andrew: Thanks great talking to you. Amy: And he joined us on our turnkey dot pro answer line.


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