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American Strategy For Taking On Radical Islamists

If there’s no military solution in Syria, then what are American troops doing there? Is it time for America to be more on the offense against islamofascism? Why are the new icons of the women’s movement being represented by grotesquely anti-semitic Democratic congresswomen? President of American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser joins Dan and Amy to discuss.

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GOP Abandoning Law And Order Message

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NYC Bomber Radicalized In The US

Are college campuses creating a culture of validation? Is there a practical approach of making immigration more merit-based than familial based? How can America keep its doors open to those legitimately escaping persecution and oppression while filtering through their ideology? Are certain immigration reforms proposed by Republicans playing into the big government scheme by setting arbitrary numbers of immigrants? Founder of American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser joins Dan and Amy to discuss.

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Proft: Good morning, Dan and Amy. Pleased to be joined again by our friend, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, and former U.S. Navy lieutenant, lieutenant commander. His book, "A Battle for the Soul of Islam". Dr. Jasser, thanks for joining us again, appreciate it. Jasser: Great to be with you again, thanks for having me! Proft: Before we get to the attempted terrorist attack in New York earlier this week, I just want to get your take on something. We were talking about it the other day, and it's about kind of holiday celebrations, and particularly as it pertains to college campuses, where you have some of the dumbest people walking upright in charge. Jacobson: They're "works in progress", Dan. Proft: And there, there was...here in Chicago at Loyola University there was a Muslim student group that essentially was complaining about Ramadan not being as celebrated and woven into the day-to-day experience at Loyola University, a Jesuit Catholic University, as say, Christmas. I mean, they didn't accuse anything...anybody of being disrespectful, or prohibiting or otherwise creating hurdles for the expression of the faith of Islamic students, or Jewish students or anybody else. But they wanted to be equal in terms of elevation, you're talking about a Catholic university. How do you react to that position that the Muslim students were taking? Jasser: Well you know, it saddens me that the community thinks that those are our priorities. I went to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, and you know, was there for three years and then medical school at NCW in Milwaukee, and you know I always remembered that my parents taught me that if I lived in a country where the majority felt they could practice their faith and wanted to practice their faith publicly and openly, that they then didn't want to protect the minority rights to do so, because otherwise you end up having this hyper-secularization like you see in Europe, and that's what so beautiful about America is that the First Amendment, the first freedom that we have is religious freedom, and the majority celebrated, they protected it for the minority. Now, Muslim Liberty Project talks about the fact that we are Americans that happen to be Muslim, not Muslims that demand to be American. Respect comes with time, comes with an understanding of what Ramadan is, and they're putting the cart before the horse, I think. In a country right now where they see Muslim militants, separatist ideas that are radicalized, and I think it's a bit much to say "Well, why don't you also celebrate our holidays then, huh?" You know, I never felt I couldn't celebrate my fasting and holidays in America. Was it equal to the majority faith? Nah...I don't think that's the number one concern we have right now. I certainly was never limited in that practice, though. Proft: Yeah, I mean, I think that...I think that's right. It's...it seems to me the difference between America and these Islamic Republics, for example, or other totalitarian states, and the core of a free society...peaceful pluralism, and free and fair elections. And it's...peaceful pluralism of course includes religious tolerance, but it's this, this...culture now, of validation, and of course it's in its worst example in college campuses. "But everything I am and believe needs to be validated by everything else." I mean, I don't need anybody to validate that I'm a Catholic, I'm just...that's my faith, so on and so forth. But that the validation element of it, that's certainly not limited to Muslim students or the Muslim community, that's part of a rather unfortunate degradation of culture in America, I think. Jasser: Yeah, absolutely. There was a case in Chicago of a teacher who demanded that she be able to go her Haij, which is a mandatory thing for a Muslim, but certainly not a mandatory thing when you're 25, 26. And the Chicago School Unions said "Well she can't take three weeks off in December to do that." And in my book I talk about the fact that there's moderate demand of faith practice and sometimes there's extreme ones. And sometimes if you push the envelope too much...the Obama Administration ruled in her favor, you know, mandated that the Chicago School System have understanding, diversity teachings, etc. I think in the end that made more of a separation from Muslim students and teachers and did not really serve the end of helping us assimilate and become respected and understood. And these things often when you push the envelope end up causing more problems than good. Jacobson: So that teacher was able to go on the three-week mission? Jasser: Yes. The school ended up having to apologize, and unfortunately...you know, you can do that ANY time in your life. And to demand that you got three weeks off more than anyone else, my question is a slippery slope one. Anyone could say, on a basis of faith, they need six weeks off, eight weeks off, during Finals, etc. It wasn't about religion, it was a union saying "You can't take three weeks off during Finals in December", and yet the Obama administration ruled in favor of protecting that religious practice, which I really think it had nothing to do about religion. Proft: Now getting to this failed terrorist attack in New York City, this man from Bangladesh, in the country illegally, beneficiary-obtained immigration, and this has raised the issue again of chain migration, and making immigration more merit-based than familial-based, outside the nuclear family, and...and I wonder, what you think about chain migration and about what's been discussed by...even by, frankly, some Democrats, but certainly by Republicans across the spectrum, it was a central issue that was raised by Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush in the presidential campaign in addition to Trump. Jasser: Well I think any rational human being...and I think I earned a bit of an ability to have an opinion about this since I've been trying to get family out of Syria not only since the Revolution in '11 but even before...it makes sense for NUCLEAR families to stay together, you don't want to separate parents from kids, or a nuclear family, husband...spouses from each other. But at the end of the day, EXTENDED family don't filter for...you know, America's an idea. If you're coming here, I hope you're seeking freedom from persecution, from torture, you want to embrace the social contract of America, you understand what a secular society is, you want to escape theocracy. But if you're a Communist, if you're a Fascist, or if you're an Islamist or a Jihadist, you know, genetics does not filter for such a thing! Extended family by marriage does not filter for ideology! So, as you all know, many in our families have folks that are uncles and cousins that have diametrically opposed ideas or worldviews than we do. So that cannot be the way a country filters on who it brings in, and who's safe and who's not safe, simply because "my cousin is in Philadelphia", does not mean that if I live in Syria that I have a right to come to the United States when my cousin could be a Democrat and I may be an Islamic Jihadist. I still think they need to be filtered! Jacobson: Well, what's your ideal immigration plan, then? Jasser: The immigration plan should be based on, number one, that we NOT shut the doors. I think America changes who it is if we don't welcome people escaping oppression and want to be free so the number one thing is that they are LEGITIMATELY escaping persecution. And number two, they bring something to the table, it's merit-based. Economically, intellectually, they bring resources in, they're not going to become, as we see in Britain and Europe and elsewhere where Islamists come in and...on Welfare! That doesn't necessarily help the society you bring to it. So be merit-based, and be ideological, that they embrace who we are...and that really isn't as difficult to discern as you think it is. In a half an hour, 45 minute interview, you can tell if someone understands what the American worldview is. Proft: Yeah, I mean I think that's right. You always want America to be a safe haven for those seeking asylum. And so...you know, and there's disagreement on exactly what that looks like in terms of rethinking our immigration policy, even among conservatives. I'm a Conservative and I don't agree with Tom Cotton's RAISE Act, which would cut legal immigration to the United States by 50% over the next decade. I wonder what your take on this is. Part of this to me seems like...we get into the big government game when we say "reduce it by 50%, reduce it by X%, increase it by X%, only so many H1B Visas." Well how do these guys have the secret knowledge to know what the number should be against what the secret number should be in any other walk of life with 330 million people? So it seems to me it should be more kind of principles focused and case specific rather than setting these arbitrary targets. Jasser: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, every time one of these individuals we find tried to commit an act, and we learn about the program they came in on, we go "Oh, that's the problem," and this Whack-A-Mole continues. It's more of a whole-of-government approach to ideological vetting, and I agree with you. Some of the most leading Americans that have changed who we are...are immigrants, that brought with them a desire to be free. I served on the USS El Paso with a Head of Cryptography on my ship that was a Vietnamese immigrant, his family had escaped the oppression there. There are so many stories of immigrants that we can't just change who we are as Americans based on numbers and quotas and we can't get whiplash going from one administration that was...really, just trying to open the floodgates almost in an Angela Merkel kind of a way, to one that just wants to shut it down based on numbers. We need to remember who we are, America is an immigrant nation. This guy, by the way, everyone we're finding is actually radicalized HERE. So yes, visa program reform might have prevented the original problem, him, from coming in 2011, but actually he was radicalized the last three or four years while he was here. So that should remind Americans...the biggest problem with national security is actually them being radicalized here by Islamic groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations that, by the way, hours after the attempted bombing, is lecturing Americans on behalf of the Ullah family about our justice system, etc. Proft: Yeah! Jasser: Which shows that the radicalization is happening HERE, not over there! Proft: No question about it. He is Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, great American, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, co-founder of the Muslim Reform Movement, former US Navy Lieutenant Commander and the book that he wrote, "A Battle for the Soul of Islam". Dr. Jasser, thanks as always for joining us, appreciate it. Jasser: Any time, thanks for having me. Jacobson: And he joined us on our Turnkey Dot Pro Answer Line.

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Dan & Amy talked terror in our teddy bear society with famed British commentator and psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple and discussed Dalrymple’s piece in the Wall Street Journal. Will we soon have laws that put security over freedom? Should Britain intern the 3,000 identified Muslims who are on the terror watch list? Does ISIS just have another ‘point of view’? Are terrorists comforted by the police's ability to arrest the accomplices of each terror attack after the crime is committed?

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This Is A Battle For Our Civilization

Is Islam a religion of peace? If it's not, can it become one? What impact will the terrorist attack in London have on Thursday's national election? Dan & Amy posed these questions and more to one of the actual leaders of peaceful pluralist Muslims, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser who is the Founder and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. And they discussed Dr. Jasser’s appeal to Ariana Grande.

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Can We Prevent Terrorist Attacks?

Do the old methods of terrorism prevention still work? How can security agencies anticipate terrorist attacks? Is there a way to prioritize threats so we can better respond? Dan & Amy discuss the latest news on the Manchester bombing with Col. Cedric Leighton, military intelligence expert and security consultant who served on the Joint Chief’s Staff and the National Security Council.

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3,500 Suspected Terrorists In UK

What is the latest on the Manchester concert bombing? How should the United States respond? Did the terrorist act alone? What should authorities do with the 3,500 potential terrorists they are monitoring? And what message is President Trump sending by calling terrorists "evil losers"? Dan & Amy talk counterterrorism with Khalil Marrar, Terrorism Expert, Professor & Researcher of Public Policy, Administration & Middle East Politics at Governor’s State University. 

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Addicott: They Will Kill Anyone Who Doesn't Pledge Allegiance To Their Version Of Islam

Was the terrorist attack in Manchester a response to increasing pressure on Radical Islam from the Trump Administration? What do we know about the planning and the larger networks involved in the attack? What is the political purpose of targeting children? Why do people have a hard time understanding that Jihadists don't respond to empathy or reason the way Westerners do? What can be done to reduce the number of attacks in the future? Is there anything the Trump Administration should be doing or considering with regard to terrorism? Lt. Col. Jeff Addicott, Director of the Center for Terrorism Law and Former Army Officer in the Judge Advocate General's (JAG) Corp, joins Dan and Amy to discuss the tragic attack at Ariana Grande's Concert in England.

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An Excellent First Step

President Trump did not mince words on the topic of terrorism in his remarks to the Assembled Royal Leaders in Saudi Arabia over the weekend. What should we make of the speech and the President's disposition toward the complicated world of Islamic Theocracy in general? Were there any missed opportunities? How did President Trump manage the delicate balance between the need to deliver a strong message about the future to the old guard in the Islamic Republics and the need to forge a political alliance to help deal with the Houthi's in Yemen and the Iranians after 8 years of Obama foreign policy? What is the prescription for defeating Radical Islam long-term? Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, President, American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Co-Founder, Muslim Reform Movement, Former US NAVY Lieutenant-Commander & Author of “A Battle for the Soul of Islam” gives Dan and Amy his reaction to the pivotal address.

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What The Turkish Referendum Tells Us About America

Culture is everything.

When a nation replaces individual rights and the rule of law with silly-hearted, value-free multiculturalism, freedom dies.

Last week’s terrorist attack in Paris, the sixth radical Islamic killing spree there in just the past three years, is another awful reminder of how this plays out in practice.

Trying to cure a sick culture is like being in the throes of Aetolian fever. By the time the symptoms show, you’re a goner.

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Last week’s referendum in Turkey that codified Erdogan’s authoritarian rule into law was a useful stress test.

97% of Turks are Muslim. Turks living in Germany and the Netherlands, two countries that pride themselves on migrant friendliness, voted 63% and 70% respectively in favor of the referendum despite opposition from Officer Friendlies Merkel and Rutte.

By contrast, Turks in the United States, which isn’t perceived to be nearly so migrant-friendly particularly of late, voted 83% against the referendum.

The lesson for healthy living: acting like a doormat to dogmatic Islamists makes them more so, not less so.

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Where Are the Peaceful Pluralist Muslims Who Will Lead? An Interview with AIFD founder Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

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Dan Proft: Good morning; Dan and Amy. So, President Obama still in Cuba when the Brussels bombings occurred, but I’ll tell you what, to his credit, in between getting some snacks for his good friend bloodthirsty, communist dictator Raúl Castro, and doing the wave with his brother from another mother, he took the time to sit down with Karl Ravech, from ESPN, and offer his reflections on the bombings. Karl Ravech: It’s a pleasure to have you here, and I think before we even get into the baseball and the experience, this has been a very difficult day for the country, for Belgium, and I think that this would be an opportunity for you to address the many millions that are watching. Barrack Obama: Well, I appreciate that, I had a chance to talk to the Belgium Prime-Minister early this morning, right after the explosion had happened, and this is just one more example of why the entire world has to unite against these terrorists. The notion that any political agenda would justify the killing of innocent people like this is something that’s beyond the pale. We are going to continue with the over sixty nations that are pounding ISIL, wanting to go after them. In the meantime, obviously, our thoughts and prayers are with those who’ve been lost, and hoping for a speedy recovery for those who’ve been injured. Amy Jacobson: Oh my God… Dan Proft: I think it was nice of him to take the time out. He’s trying to enjoy the game with his wife and with his friend Raúl. Amy Jacobson: And Susan Rice is right behind them, I mean they stood up at the same time. But it didn’t stop there, because Michelle Obama, right after the game, she quickly addressed reporters. Michelle Obama: We are outraged and heartbroken over the horrific attacks today in Belgium. Amy Jacobson: How could she say that? Moments before she was up there cheering, smiling, having a good old time. Nine Americans were seriously injured. Dan Proft: They both changed their Facebook pictures too, to the Belgium flag, so that’s a nice touch as well. Amy Jacobson: And flags have been ordered to half-staff until Saturday. Dan Proft: It’s not like he’s the President of the United States, he could do something about the JV team, as he likes the term ISIS; that is contained, by the way, that he’s got contained. Charles Krauthammer had a different impression of the President’s remarks yesterday. The couple of seconds he offered before addressing the nature of his trip to Cuba, to the Assembled International Press, as well as at the ball game. Charles Krauthammer: Where Obama gave the terror bombing 51 seconds of his speech today in Havana. I thought the whole story of his presidency and his foreign policy was seen in a split-screen. On one side you had the video footage of the attack in Belgium – this is the real world – and on the other side is Obama in the fantasy world he inhabits where Cuba is of some geopolitical significance in his mind, but none in the real world. Dan Proft: I think that is a nice tidy summation. Now we also got reaction from CARE, the Council on American Islamic Relations, to the call for Muslims to denounce the Brussels bombers. Amy Jacobson: They said there’s outrage and condemnation, and they really do care what happens. Speaker: Even the mere question, do Muslims condemn this, to me is an affront to our humanity. It goes without saying. You look on Facebook, Muslims are only talking about this. They’re angry, they’re upset. Dan Proft: Is that an affront? Is that denigrating Muslims, to call for leadership from the Muslim community, not just for denunciation, but also for partnership with law enforcement and political leaders to help quell radical Islamic terrorist activity. Let’s put that to our friend, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, who is the founder and president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. Dr. Jasser, thanks for joining us again, appreciate it. Dr. Zuhdi Jasser: Oh, it’s great to be with you again, thank you. Dan Proft: So what about your response to the response from CARE that it is offensive to even ask the question, or call on Muslim leaders to denounce the Brussels bombers? Dr. Zuhdi Jasser: Well, I think again, they’ve proven that they’re tone deaf to the reality. They’re proving that to them denouncing an act is simply denouncing the act itself, rather than participating in reforms that need to happen to stop the violence from ever happening. And they’re also tone deaf to the fact that this is one of the first cells in the recent history that has committed 2 acts four months apart, and the reason they did that was you had a large Muslim neighborhood in Mozambique that was concealing these individuals from the entire EU apparatus, so we Muslims have a lot of work to do in order to basically prove that we are part of the solution, and not part of the problem, and yes, Muslims need to be part of – will be part of the solution, but for an organization that, by the way, CARE Chicago, on its website has a much longer piece, a diatribe that says why American Muslims should fear Zuhdi Jasser, which they post three years ago, rather than dealing with the reforms against the true radicals, so when people say “Where are the moderate voices?”, CARE Chicago is too busy demonizing Muslims that love our faith, that want to do reforms, rather than actually demonizing the militants and their ideas, and listen, I love my faith – I’m orthodox in my practice, and do this because I don’t want to see my faith destroyed by the militants that get their ideas from Saudi Arabia, from the Wahabis, from ISIS, and those interpret our Qu’ran in a militant way, but you know, enough is enough. They need to stop this sort of self-righteous indignation and actually roll up their sleeves and start to figure out what’s going on. Amy Jacobson: Well Doctor, does the Qu’ran say “conform or die”? Dr. Zuhdi Jasser: Not the way I interpret it, not at all, but certainly we have to recognize that there are a few millions, hundreds of millions who believe that the inspiration of the state should be theocratic, that the Qu’ran as interpreted by the Wahabis is the only interpretation, the literalist interpretation, and there are many of us who are beginning to say “That interpretation you just gave not only exists, is a dominate one in the theological arenas that we need to begin to dissect”, and no, I don’t believe, just like every religion has gone through some reforms, we have to begin to say, wait a minute, the passages that are literally being interpreted that way, what do they mean? How can we reinterpret them in ways that conform with modernity, the equality of men and women, the equality of those who are not Muslim, with those who are Muslim, what do we believe? We have a declaration of the Muslim reform movement put out, two pages, simple declaration, and we’ve sent it to Muslim organizations across the country, we’re waiting to hear back from them because we believe that that declaration can begin to answer the question you just asked me. Are you with us in believing in American principles and the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights, or are they with the radicals who say, “Well, the only way to interpret God’s word is in a very black and white literalist way. Dan Proft: We’re talking to Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, the founder and president of the American Islamic Form for Democracy; so, Dr. Jasser, where does this reform occur? Is it in the mosques? Dr. Zuhdi Jasser: It happens on every front. Certainly the mosques are part of it, but I would tell you, if you look at reforms from the time of Martin Luther on, most of that happens at the grassroots, and then eventually you push and pull the leaders to do it. It’s not going to happen top-down. Many have lauded Al-Sisi’s call for reform at the Belly of the Beast, in [inaudible 00:08:03], in Cairo, and I would tell you that what was missing from his speech is talk or the use of the word liberty, democracy, freedom. Yes, he condemned the al-Qaedas and the ISISes of the world, but he didn’t use terms like freedom and democracy, liberty, and since that speech, over a year ago, he has imprisoned and tortured many of the moderates that are seeking reform in Egypt, so this is why that reform, if it’s going to happen anywhere,, it’s going to happen in America, and this is why America is to begin to forget about political correctness, but also not forget about being correct. While political correctness has shielded groups like CARE and others in having to deal with the tough questions about our faith, sometimes, by demonizing the entire faith we have prevented the ability to take sides within the House of Islam with those who love our faith but are all about reform. Amy Jacobson: What was your reaction when you heard Senator Ted Cruz yesterday? He suggested that American-Muslim neighborhoods, there is some activity going on, that they should be policed heavier than other neighborhoods. Dr. Zuhdi Jasser: Well, I think that if you expand his comments; listen, none of us are willing to turn over any of our civil rights, so let’s put that out there and be clear that I don’t give up any of my 1st Amendment Rights to the practice of religion, but I will say that the current security apparatus in America has been hamstrung, the NYPD program who was shut down by groups like CARE, and other media that have exposed supposedly that they were targeting Muslims, when in fact we know they did not do any illegal wire taps; there have been no commentaries in cases that were thrown out of court because of any type of illegal monitoring, but they needed to map neighborhoods, they needed to understand no different than the cops and the beat, know where drugs are sold, where other crimes are committed by knowing the community. They try to get to know the communities by mapping them and monitoring them, and that was shut down as being profiling and un-American. But that’s absurd, being Muslim is not a race. It is an ideology, and we have to understand, no different than the Nazi Party, or the Communist Party that works in America; they are Islamic groups that are going to use the Islamic religion as a political movement, and the police need to have the capacity and the ability to monitor those groups, and do so legally. I don’t think it violates any of our civil rights to do that. Dan Proft: What’s your sense of the several million Muslims in America? I mean if you can make a generalization about this, in terms of yes, it’s a small percentage that are going to act violently, but is there a larger percentage that has antipathy towards the West, including America? That’s certainly the case in Muslim nations in North Africa and the Middle East. Do you think that’s the case with Muslims in America as well? Amy Jacobson: Well, I believe the silent majority of American Muslims are here like my family, who escaped prosecution in Syria and other authoritarian regimes and came to America for religious freedom, and I believe that’s a majority. The problem is there’s a plurality of those who believe – who are not terrorists or violent – but yet believe in the Islamic State, not only ISIS, but any Islamic State sort of being better than the Western Secular State, and elections in the Middle East have born this out. Egyptian Brotherhood won 20-30% of the vote, and ultimately won by a runoff. You see large Islamic movements winning elections, and I think Americans Muslims, while those percentages might be smaller, maybe closer to 20-30%, have not been studies yet, and I think PEW and others should study this very closely to understand what is the prioritization of American Muslim groups, and communities, as far as political Islamic Parties are concerned, but I will tell you in our work, if you look at most of the organized Muslim communities, they come from the Muslim Brotherhood Legacy groups from the 60’ and 70’, the Muslim Suni Association and other that were funded by the Saudis initially, and really are organized by using Muslim community ideas as in identity group, rather than a broad diverse community, and I think the reason we don’t address Islamism and political Islam is because they don’t want to make that connection between radical – militant Islam and moderate Islamism, because once we do, we’ll begin to fight it and reform against those ideas, and sort of like saying if the meth addict connected to the gateway drugs of marijuana and alcoholism, etcetera, they don’t want to make that connection between the terrorist and political Islam. I mean, British People Mosque in Chicago was part of the Holy Land Foundation Exposure, there was a whole piece in Chicago Tribune from 2004 about the underbelly of the secret brotherhood movement that the Muslim American Society was part of that entire network; there’s been very little follow up work on that, because of political correctness. Dan Proft: Alright, you’re looking for thoughtful leadership from the Muslim community; you get it from Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, who’s the founder and president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. Dr. Jasser, thanks for joining us, appreciate it. Dr. Zuhdi Jasser: Any time.

 

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